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Fedi:Tagestipp/tröt<a href="https://mastodonium.de/tags/fediverse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Fediverse</a>-Plattform <a href="https://mastodonium.de/tags/friendica" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Friendica</a><a href="https://mastodonium.de/tags/friendica" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Friendica</a> (ehemals <a href="https://mastodonium.de/tags/friendika" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Friendika</a>, ursprünglich <a href="https://mastodonium.de/tags/mistpark" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#mistpark</a>, erschienen 2010) ist eine freie <a href="https://mastodonium.de/tags/software" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Software</a> für ein verteiltes soziales Netzwerk. Der Fokus liegt auf wirkungsvollen Datenschutzeinstellungen und leichter Installation auf eigenen Servern, welche insgesamt unabhängig operierend das dezentrale Netzwerk des <a href="https://mastodonium.de/tags/fediverse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Fediverse</a> formen. Wie auch <a href="https://mastodonium.de/tags/mastodon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Mastodon</a> versteht Friendica das Protokoll <a href="https://mastodonium.de/tags/activitypub" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ActivityPub</a>.<a href="https://friendi.ca/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://friendi.ca/</a>

𝓒𝓱𝓻𝓲𝓼 This is a quite interesting article about the music Network "BowieNet" - i didn't know about. Well it was not about internet access but If i'm not mistaken than something like a decentralized "BowieNet" was first on the mind of @<a class="" href="https://fediversity.site/channel/mikedev" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mike Macgirvin 🖥️</a> when he started #<a class="" href="https://im.allmendenetz.de/search?tag=Mistpark" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mistpark</a> in 2010. #<a class="" href="https://im.allmendenetz.de/search?tag=socialmedia" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">socialmedia</a> #<a class="" href="https://im.allmendenetz.de/search?tag=history" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">history</a> Cyberspace oddity: The story of BowieNet <blockquote>In the 1990s it wasn’t only AOL and CompuServe offering internet access, but rock stars, too</blockquote> <a href="https://www.techradar.com/pro/cyberspace-oddity-the-story-of-bowienet" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.techradar.com/pro/cyberspace-oddity-the-story-of-bowienet</a>

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://stefanbohacek.online/@stefan" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stefan Bohacek</a> It has partly become a museum already. Of Mike's projects, only Roadhouse is missing because it never really took off. But the Red Matrix is there, Mistpark is there, Osada is there, Zap is there. Calckey is still there. Wildebeest is there which was so questionable I've got my doubts it still exists. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Calckey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Calckey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Wildebeest" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Wildebeest</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mistpark" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mistpark</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mistpark2020" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mistpark2020</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Misty" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Misty</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=RedMatrix" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">RedMatrix</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Osada" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Osada</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Zap" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Zap</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a>

tallshipAn excellent expose on one of the most prolific and creative minds in the <a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/Fediverse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Fediverse</a>, and as the following article by <a href="https://deadsuperhero.com/author/sean/" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@sean</a> eludes to, far far beyond.<a href="https://wedistribute.org/2024/03/activitypub-nomadic-identity/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://wedistribute.org/2024/03/activitypub-nomadic-identity/</a><a href="https://macgirvin.com/channel/mike" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@mike</a> 's contributions to <a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/FOSS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#FOSS</a> and <a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/DeSoc" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DeSoc</a> go back much further than just the <a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/ActivityPub" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ActivityPub</a> portions of the Fediverse, well over a decade in fact, as the creator of <a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/Mistpark" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Mistpark</a>, now <a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/Friendica" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Friendica</a>, and also <a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/Zot6" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Zot6</a> and <a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/Nomad" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Nomad</a>, which promises to be a show changer for identity in the world of Social communications.<a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/tallship" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#tallship</a> ⛵

Fedi:Tagestipp/tröt<a href="https://mastodonium.de/tags/fediverse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Fediverse</a>-Plattform <a href="https://mastodonium.de/tags/friendica" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Friendica</a> <a href="https://mastodonium.de/tags/friendica" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Friendica</a> (ehemals <a href="https://mastodonium.de/tags/friendika" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Friendika</a>, ursprünglich <a href="https://mastodonium.de/tags/mistpark" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#mistpark</a>, erschienen 2010) ist eine freie <a href="https://mastodonium.de/tags/software" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Software</a> für ein verteiltes soziales Netzwerk. Der Fokus liegt auf wirkungsvollen Datenschutzeinstellungen und leichter Installation auf eigenen Servern, welche insgesamt unabhängig operierend das dezentrale Netzwerk des <a href="https://mastodonium.de/tags/fediverse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Fediverse</a> formen. Wie auch <a href="https://mastodonium.de/tags/mastodon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Mastodon</a> versteht Friendica das Protokoll <a href="https://mastodonium.de/tags/activitypub" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ActivityPub</a>. <a href="https://friendi.ca/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://friendi.ca/</a>

𝓒𝓱𝓻𝓲𝓼<blockquote>That was all they knew. And nobody told them otherwise because nobody else knew either. (...) So StatusNet wasn't really part of the #<a class="" href="https://im.allmendenetz.de/search?tag=FederatedSocialWeb" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FederatedSocialWeb</a> in practice.</blockquote> According to my sources the story goes a bit different here - sorry for that @<a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/channel/jupiter_rowland" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jupiter Rowland</a> The "Federated Social Web" was an term founded and an initiative started by Evan Prodromou, the head and CEO behind #<a class="" href="https://im.allmendenetz.de/search?tag=StatusNet" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">StatusNet</a> #<a class="" href="https://im.allmendenetz.de/search?tag=Ostaus" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Ostaus</a> and #<a class="" href="https://im.allmendenetz.de/search?tag=IdentiCa" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">IdentiCa</a>. In July 2010 he tried to get together all active groups developing code specific to federation of the web. This happen to be just around the days as @<a class="" href="https://macgirvin.com/channel/mike" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mike Macgirvin</a> came around the corner with #<a class="" href="https://im.allmendenetz.de/search?tag=DFRN" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">DFRN</a>. He got even invited to this "Federated Social Web" summit but i guess the way form Australia to Portland Oregon was a bit to long, for this short-term invitation. There where some more "Federated Social Web" meetings and one result form Evans initiative was also the "W3C Federated Social Web Incubator Group" started on 15 December 2010 and transitioned on 12 January 2012 to the "W3C Federated Social Web Community Group". This group did all the basic work for the Activitypub definitions published 2018 <a href="https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/</a> It appears that in all this meetings Mikes projects were never present. In all this "Federated Social Web" summits and follower up meeting all kinds of protocols, networks, platforms were discussed - but i read never about #<a class="" href="https://im.allmendenetz.de/search?tag=Mistpark" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mistpark</a>, #<a class="" href="https://im.allmendenetz.de/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a>, #<a class="" href="https://im.allmendenetz.de/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a>, #<a class="" href="https://im.allmendenetz.de/search?tag=DFRN" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">DFRN</a> or #<a class="" href="https://im.allmendenetz.de/search?tag=ZOT" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ZOT</a> . But Evan and the others DEVs know about Mikes work for sure. For very sure - but they were following their own projects and ideas. <blockquote>The OStatus support side was hard-coded for only this one instance because the devs believed that identi.ca was a monolithic walled garden just like Twitter.</blockquote> Evan had always also some kind of businesses modes in mind and he got in August 2010 even $2.3 million. Dollars of Venture capital for the platform #<a class="" href="https://im.allmendenetz.de/search?tag=status.net" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">status.net</a> So the whole setting for this #<a class="" href="https://im.allmendenetz.de/search?tag=FederatedSocialWeb" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FederatedSocialWeb</a> initiative has to be seen also in this light. And.... Guess who the chairman of the W3C Social Web Working Community Group was - Evan. Now ... also the Free Software Foundation (FSF) was also just focused on OStatus and StatusNet. By 2009 a decision of the GNU social steering committee was made to built on top of the OStatus protocol and the StatusNet codebase a project called "GNU social". It's main goal was to deployable with a minimal hosting configuration. So GNU social got on the way and was finally around 2012/13 the successor of Laconica/StatusNet software. Now we can understand a bit better that DFRN/ZOT/NOMAD projects were never considered later e.g. by the FSF. Today they use of coure Masto, the successor of GNU social. Somehow the line of projects started with Mistpark got ignored by powerful institutions because advocates and proponent were missing here. In two weeks from today here in Cologne we will have a summit about the chances of free social networks, also organized by the Free Software Foundation Europe <a href="https://fsfe.org/news/2023/news-20230712-01.en.html" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://fsfe.org/news/2023/news-20230712-01.en.html</a> One of the speaks will be @<a href="https://social.diekershoff.de/profile/tobias" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Tobias</a>. He has been a follower of Mikes projects since the very early days in 2011 and still is running a Friendica community hub and is working for the FSFE also as system administrator. He should know also a bit about #<a class="" href="https://im.allmendenetz.de/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> and #<a class="" href="https://im.allmendenetz.de/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Streams</a> and we can hope for sure that the word about Mike projects will be finally start to be spread :-) I will report.

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://hachyderm.io/@CodexArcanum" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Codex ☯️♈☮</a> @<a href="https://sfba.social/@CynthesisToday" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CynthesisToday</a> I think the #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> is the easiest to understand for those who halfway know their way around computer stuff if you start at the protocol level. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ActivityPub" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ActivityPub</a> is a digital communications protocol standard. Like e-mail or RSS or Atom or XMPP or Matrix, for example. Or like #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=StatusNet" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">StatusNet</a> or the #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Diaspora" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Diaspora</a> protocol or #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=DFRN" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">DFRN</a> or #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Zot" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Zot</a>, now known as #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Nomad" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Nomad</a> in its latest incarnation. The server application projects that are based on ActivityPub are different server-side software implementations of the same protocol. Some have more features, some have fewer, some specialise in particular tasks which is possible because ActivityPub is not specialised itself, not a one-trick pony. Like, for XMPP, you have jabberd and ejabberd and Openfire and Prosody and Tigase. For e-mail, you've got various mail servers and MTAs. The main difference here is that ActivityPub is so versatile in its capabilities that it can be used for a whole lot of different things. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mastodon</a>, #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Pleroma" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Pleroma</a>, #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Akkoma" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Akkoma</a>, #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=MissKey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">MissKey</a>, #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CalcKey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CalcKey</a> etc. were made for microblogging. But ActivityPub can also be used for actual blogging platforms like #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Plume" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Plume</a> or #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=WriteFreely" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">WriteFreely</a>, for video streaming like in the cases of #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=PeerTube" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">PeerTube</a> and #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Owncast" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Owncast</a>, for audio streaming like in the cases of #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Funkwhale" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Funkwhale</a> and #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Castopod" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Castopod</a> and for link aggregators/discussion communities like in the cases of #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Lemmy" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Lemmy</a> and #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=kbin" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">kbin</a>. Only to name a few examples. Still, there are enough parts of this protocol fixed so that all these projects, all these implementations of ActivityPub can connect to one another and ideally communicate with one another. Now, why is all this made so that they can connect to one another? That's because they all use the same protocol. The alternative would have been to do like <a href="https://macgirvin.com/channel/mike?f=&zid=jupiter_rowland%40hub.netzgemeinde.eu" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mike MacGirvin</a> did with DFRN for #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mistpark" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mistpark</a>, later #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendika" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendika</a>, today known as #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a>, and create a whole new protocol from scratch, even though StatusNet was readily available. Well, only that Mike's intention was to federate Friendica with everything that moved, regardless of protocol. Okay, better comparison: The alternative would have been to do like the four Diaspora* creators and create a whole new protocol from scratch with no intention whatsoever to connect to the outside world. Well, instead, all those clones of YouTube and Instagram and Reddit and GoodReads and so forth chose ActivityPub. It was a win-win situation: They could use an existing protocol which actually worked for them instead of taking upon themselves designing a whole new protocol first and then their server application on top. And they could expect a wider audience, namely everything else that uses ActivityPub. Two birds, one stone. Oh, and by the way: Neither the Fediverse nor ActivityPub was designed around Mastodon, nor was ActivityPub designed by Eugen Rochko (Mike Macgirvin did have some saying in it, though, AFAIK), and quite a few Fediverse projects already existed before Mastodon. Pleroma is three and a half weeks older. MissKey is two years older AFAIK. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> was forked from Friendica four years before Mastodon came out. This means that Friendica has to be even older: six years older than Mastodon. None of these projects will ever give in to Mastodon's limitations and reduce their own feature set for the convenience of Mastodon users. Oh, and neither will the projects that came after Mastodon. If something from another Fediverse project doesn't look good on Mastodon, it's Mastodon's problem.

Jupiter Rowland@<a class="" href="https://loma.ml/profile/z428" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Kristian</a> @<a class="" href="https://mastodon.social/@atomicpoet" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Chris Trottier</a> Free, non-corporate, decentralised projects have different intents and purposes than non-free, commercial, corporate, centralised silos. They're created by different people for different people, for different target audiences. And even the huge corporate silos don't start with a shiny iPhone app and then develop the server backend around it. If it's free (as in, for example, Affero GPL), decentralised and distributed, it's made by geeks for geeks first and foremost. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a> first became available in 2010, and unlike Facebook, it never had the intention of becoming the next Internet for everyone in the world. Also, behind Facebook stood a huge megacorporation. Behind Friendica stood only one man, @<a class="" href="https://macgirvin.com/channel/mike" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">mike</a>, all alone, with zero budget. And yet, he managed to release something that was more powerful than Diaspora*, where at the same time only the crowdfunding campaign was running, would ever become. Friendica's target audience were geeks. The same people that also used Linux as their main OS. Friendica wasn't made for the same people as Facebook or the iPhone. In fact, your typical Friendica user wouldn't touch an iPhone or any other Apple product with a 10-foot barge pole. They'd rather have a Nokia N900, and that was a clunky QWERTY slider that ran a modified Debian GNU/Linux. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Redmatrix" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Redmatrix</a>, the direct successor of Friendica, was experimental. Its sole purpose was to work on the brand-new #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Zot" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Zot</a> protocol and the concept of #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=NomadicIdentity" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">NomadicIdentity</a>. It still had a small number of users and an even smaller number of instances, but they were generally voluntary guinea pigs. At this time, Friendica was already maintained by its own community which is about as far away from a Silicon Valley gigacorp as you could possibly get. Redmatrix wasn't declared ready for prime time until late 2015 when it was renamed #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a>. And even then, it didn't come with the "vision" of rolling over the mass market and replacing Facebook, WordPress, MediaWiki and the various GAFAM cloud services in one fell swoop. Again, Hubzilla was developed pretty much only by Mike Macgirvin. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Osada" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Osada</a> and #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Zap" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Zap</a> were both largely experimental again. Mike had forked them off Hubzilla because he still wasn't satisfied with what Zot could do at the time. However, the development of the new version #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Zot6" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Zot6</a> couldn't happen on that monster named Hubzilla that was in everyday use now. That's why these two new projects were launched. There's a good reason why they were two projects. Zap was there first. Zap was the actual Zot6 testbed, and thus, Zap was Zot6-only. Osada retained compatibility with Friendica and Hubzilla to test how well Zot6 would interact with ActivityPub with had meanwhile appeared as a draft and, IIRC, adopted by both Friendica and Hubzilla. Eventually, Osada and Zap ended up having the exact same codebase, and the difference between the two was an admin switch: ActivityPub on made it Osada, ActivityPub off made it Zap. As this was non-sense, Osada was axed, and Zap got ActivityPub and was declared the next stable one. First, Zap's main killer feature over Hubzilla was Zot6 which had introduced #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=OpenWebAuth" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">OpenWebAuth</a>. When Zot6 was finally backported to Hubzilla, the remaining advantage was that Zap wasn't nearly as bloated with a somewhat less overwhelming UI. By the way, Redmatrix continued to exist with one user until Mike Macgirvin upgraded his own instance to Zap. Now, again, you can't tinker with something that's stable. And tinkering continued. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mistpark" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mistpark</a>, Friendica's early name, returned in 2020, as did Redmatrix and Osada, all as Zap forks at various stages of instability and being experimental, none intended for a wider audience. And all created by Mike Macgirvin again. You could happily switch back and forth between Redmatrix, Osada, Zap and #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Misty" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Misty</a> by simply rebasing your server code. (Installing either usually involved "git clone".) He actually had a very good reason for this maze of names: He is opposed to big mass products with big brand identities. He wants to offer people technical solutions, not cool stuff with a sleek brand on it. Anyways, on top of all this came #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Roadhouse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Roadhouse</a>, another fork from somewhere in this conglomerate which was created in 2021 and solely intended for the development of the next Zot version, originally named Zot8, now known as #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Nomad" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Nomad</a>. Roadhouse was so experimental that there has never even been an official text saying what it actually was. Also in 2021 came #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Streams</a>, a Roadhouse derivative that started out just as mysterious but was eventually intended for the public. It's often also referred to as (streams) because it's different from its predecessors in one point: It's even less of a brand. It isn't a product to be used as-is. (streams) is not a "Fediverse platform" that's waiting for its own iPhone app. (streams) is <a href="https://codeberg.org/streams/streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">a code repository on Codeberg</a>. And its purpose is for others to take the code and make something out of it. It isn't meant to be run as-is, although you can do that, and some people do. And even then, it comes without a fixed brand and kind of asks you to "rebrand" it, even on a per-instance basis. Most (streams)-based instances don't identify as (streams). Mike who is still involved in the project has his own instance based on (streams) but, probably deliberately and intentionally, still has it identify as Zap. Another interesting fact: (streams) uses a wild hodge-podge of free licenses. Most of it is in the public domain, but parts of it are under various free licenses which aren't compatible with each other. This is fully intentional, too. It makes using (streams) for commercial products pretty much impossible because no corporate legal department will be able to figure out how to legally comply with all these licenses at the same time. Free use stays basically unlimited, though. By the way: As of January 1st, 2023, Redmatrix, Osada, Zap, Misty and Roadhouse are EOL and discontinued, and their code repositories were closed. Instances running them can and shall be upgraded to (streams). All that's left is Friendica (the old faithful one), Hubzilla (the nomadic monster) and (streams) (the one for the tinkerers). Now there's still the question: Why do all these projects, in fact including #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mastodon</a>, use this approach? Why do they start with a server platform plus Web frontend instead of doing as big corporations do and start with an iPhone app and develop a server backend around it? Why appeal to a small bunch of Linux nerds rather than to a mass-market of billions? Because if you want to go free and decentralised and distributed and federated, you'll need those Linux nerds before everyone else. First of all, you'll need someone to run instances. Thus, you'll need people who are willing and able to do that. This requires Linux knowledge. The ability to use the command line. The ability to set up and configure a Web server. Network knowledge to connect it to the internet. You can't set up a Web server from zero with three taps on a mobile app. In fact, when Diaspora* was young, it only ran on Mac servers. All four creators were Apple fanbois who didn't care for anything without the Apple brand on it. The Diaspora* server application was built against macOS. The result was a dire lack of public pods (instances) and everyone piling on the official pod. Mac users don't run Web servers at home, and I guess there were no hosting companies that offered Web hosting on Macs. The devs eventually had to make the server app at least halfway Linux-compatible to get more people to run pods, and you still had to compile Ruby on Rails from sources on Debian stable because Diaspora* depended on a newer version. Also, you'll need these tech geeks to spot and report bugs. Your typical Windows or Apple user doesn't report bugs; they only complain about them or switch to a competing product. In stark contrast, many Linux users even know how to file a good and informative bug report. Some are even capable of submitting pull requests with bug-fixing patches through git. And at least in the case of Mike's projects, you'll need a community that's capable of taking over the project itself and continuing its development. You'll need people who know how to code. You'll need people who know how to use git. And so forth. You'll hardly find such people amongst the masses who have spent all their digital lives in the cosy world of corporate-designed GUIs. If, for example, Mastodon had started out with iPhone and Android apps and gone from there, appealing to a rather tech-illiterate mass audience, it would probably never have become decentralised. At least not beyond the federation between mastodon.social, mastodon.online and whatever more instances Eugen Rochko would have had to launch because these two were full. And why not? Because Mastodon wouldn't have appealed to people who know how to install and run Mastodon instances. Mastodon would have only had the Windows/Mac/iPhone/Android crowd as users. All the geeks who would have known how to set up and run a Web server would have stayed on Friendica and Hubzilla. Some may have used ActivityPub to connect to Mastodon, but hardly anyone would have switched to that actually inferior platform with a wholly different crowd on it.

Jupiter Rowland@<a class="" href="https://embers.social/profile/ada" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Ada</a> @<a class="" href="https://social.defcon42.net/@mirko" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">defcon42/Mirko</a> @<a class="" href="https://thias.hellqui.st/users/m" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">m@thias.hellqui.st</a> To me, it sounds more like some #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mastodon</a> users, especially those who came in through the #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=TwitterMigration" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TwitterMigration</a>, actually can't stand there being something else in the #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> than their beloved Mastodon. When they caught their first glimpse of the Fediverse beyond Mastodon, they reacted much like the people of Krikkit when they caught their first glimpse of the universe beyond Krikkit: "It has to go!" They make themselves and each other believe that Mastodon is superior to any other Fediverse project in just about any regard imaginable while apparently completely refusing to learn about those other projects. They're supported in their belief by mass media only ever writing about Mastodon and the number of Mastodon users. However, mass media only write about Mastodon because they simply don't know a thing about the rest of the Fediverse, and they didn't know a thing about Mastodon until the #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=TwitterTakeover" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TwitterTakeover</a> had actually happened, and the second wave of former #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=birbsite" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">birbsite</a> users had come flooding into Mastodon in such numbers that it was impossible to ignore even for those who act as if #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FLOSS" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FLOSS</a> doesn't exist. As for the numbers of Mastodon users, they're so high because I guess more than 90% of all Mastodon users still don't know that the Fediverse is not only Mastodon, because they have never heard of anything else in the Fediverse. Mastodon was pretty much the only Fediverse project advertised on #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=BirbSocial" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">BirbSocial</a> when this was still possible. There are various reasons why Mastodon users don't spread across the Fediverse in masses. None of it is because Mastodon is superior to everything else because, truth be told, it isn't. I'll come to this later. One reason is, again, that the vast majority of them still don't know anything else. Another one is because it was hard enough to get used to Mastodon after years of using #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Twitter" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Twitter</a>, and they don't want to get used to yet another platform. And another one is that it's hard to move from Mastodon to something else and take your account or at least your connections with you. Another reason may be because people don't need anything beyond microblogging, and that's what Mastodon does. Now, sorry for all those of you who fight tooth and claw to defend Mastodon against the competition, but #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Akkoma" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Akkoma</a> does microblogging, too. With extra features beyond Mastodon, some of which Mastodon users have been pestering Eugen Rochko to include in Mastodon for ages (e.g. "quote retweet"). All while being more lightweight and requiring fewer server resources than Mastodon. Oh, and it federates with Mastodon. Other Fediverse projects aren't even competition for Mastodon because they specialise in something else. @<a class="" href="https://pixelfed.social/pixelfed" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Pixelfed</a> specialises in posting pictures, much like #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Instagram" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a>. @<a class="" href="https://framapiaf.org/users/peertube" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">PeerTube</a> specialises in video upload and streaming, not too dissimilarly from #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=YouTube" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a>. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Plume" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Plume</a> and #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=WriteFreely" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">WriteFreely</a> specialise in distraction-free traditional blogging, much like #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Medium" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Medium</a>. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Lemmy" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Lemmy</a> specialises in groups and posting and discussing news, much like #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Reddit" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Reddit</a> or #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=HackerNews" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">HackerNews</a>. You can't claim that Mastodon is better at each of these things than these platforms. And then there are the jacks-of-all-trades which are usually filed under either "macroblogging" or "like #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Facebook" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a> ". They weren't launched to have something that goes beyond Mastodon because their history reaches far back before Mastodon. Mastodon was launched in 2016 (and not 2022 like many believe). #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a> was launched in early 2010, even before the crowdfunding campaign for the development of #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Diaspora" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Diaspora</a> started. And in that early stage, Friendica, then still named #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mistpark" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mistpark</a>, was vastly more powerful than Diaspora* ever got and also vastly more powerful than Mastodon 13 years later. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a>, created by the same man as Friendica, is the most extreme one of them all. For starters, it eliminates the need for multiple accounts by having multiple independent channels with separate identities on the same account. Each channel can have multiple profiles like on Friendica so you can present your channel differently to individual contacts or groups of them and differently again to the general public. It can do micro- and macroblogging with 50,000 or more characters and just about everything that can be done with #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=BBcode" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">BBcode</a> (italics, bold type, underline, lists with bullet points or numbers, quotes, <code>code blocks</code>), and you can embed as many pictures as you want in your posts where you want them instead of them automatically being attached to the end of the post. Group handling in Hubzilla is much easier than list handling in Mastodon. You never have to type the name of a contact to find them. You can edit contacts and add them to groups or remove them, and you can edit groups and add or remove contacts, all with a few mouse clicks. And while Mastodon shows a maximum of four lists on the main page, Hubzilla will give you easy access to all your groups. On top of that, you can have <ul><li>very fine-grained access rights control with pre-definable contact roles </li><li>forums (just like Friendica, Hubzilla has #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Guppe" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Guppe</a> built in) </li><li>more elegant macroblogging with articles which, in addition to BBcode, support #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Markdown" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Markdown</a> </li><li>simple webpages (or not so simple if you're the admin of a hub, and you can expand it further) </li><li>wikis (I'm not even kidding) </li><li>a public calendar </li><li>a virtually unlimited number of private calendars with #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CalDAV" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CalDAV</a> connection </li><li>a virtually unlimited number of address books with #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CardDAV" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CardDAV</a> connection </li><li>a file server with #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=WebDAV" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">WebDAV</a> connection with its own access rights management which also ties in with the Photos and optional Gallery app (Mastodon drops your pictures somewhere, Hubzilla lets you upload them to your personal cloud space where you can access them whenever you want)</li></ul> All with one run-of-the-mill Hubzilla account. And once per channel, separately. And as if that wasn't enough, Hubzilla introduced the #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Zot" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Zot</a> protocol and with it a concept named #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=NomadicIdentity" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">NomadicIdentity</a>. Mastodon and Friendica let you have multiple accounts, even on separate instances. They also support migration from one account to another, and unlike Mastodon, Friendica lets you take all your content with you. Hubzilla (and #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Streams</a>, the successor of its slimmed-down successor, still created by the same guy) goes even further: Not only can you easily move from one hub to another, you can have channels on multiple hubs and automatically keep them fully in sync! If one hub goes down, it doesn't matter because you've got everything on all your other accounts. Last but not least, both Friendica and Hubzilla federate with almost everything that moves, even far beyond the #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ActivityPub" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ActivityPub</a> Fediverse. This could be Diaspora*, this could be #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=GNUsocial" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">GNUsocial</a>, this could be #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Wordpress" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Wordpress</a> blogs with or without the ActivityPub add-on, this could be RSS feeds (and they both generate feeds themselves, so this is bidirectional, too), this could even be Twitter until the API is shuttered. Friendica even used to federate with Facebook until Facebook put rocks in the way; this is the only connector that Hubzilla didn't take over. The obvious downside is that for someone who just came in from the #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=birdcage" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">birdcage</a>, all this is utter overkill. In fact, people who are used to Mastodon may find Friendica borderline unusuable due to its many features. And Hubzilla is so infamous for its own clumsy UI capitulating before its sheer power that even Friendica users find it hard to use, fresh converts from Twitter to Mastodon even more so. Some design decisions may be hard to understand for outsiders. Converts from other Fediverse projects to Hubzilla regularly fail at something as seemingly similar as connecting to users on other ActivityPub-based projects until you tell them that ActivityPub is an optional app on Hubzilla that has to be activated first because Hubzilla concentrates on Zot with its Nomadic Identity. Also, just because these projects offer so much power, that doesn't mean that everyone needs it. If you do, it can be convenient to have it all under one login. But if all you're looking for is a bit of microblogging and online socialising, you don't need to drag a CMS and a full-blown cloud server with all bells and whistles along with you that just clutter up the UI. In that case, projects like Mastodon and Akkoma win because they're more approachable. And while Friendica, Hubzilla & Co. can do threaded discussions and even have something like forums, Lemmy can do this more elegantly because it specialises in it. While you can use Hubzilla's private calendar feature for event planning, it's easier to do the same with #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mobilizon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mobilizon</a> which, again, specialises in it. Or you can host podcasts on Friendica, Hubzilla & Co, but you can host them better on #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Funkwhale" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Funkwhale</a> and even better on #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Castopod" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Castopod</a>. Wanting the Fediverse to be only Mastodon hinders development, namely the development of new projects within the Fediverse that may be able to do all-new things that we haven't seen in the Fediverse yet. Things that, sorry to say again, you'll never be able to do with Mastodon. P.S.: For extra kicks, don't just read this on Mastodon. Open my original post; there you can see what Hubzilla is capable of, and what Mastodon strips away.

Matthias/E<a href="https://bildung.social/users/bookstardust" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@bookstardust</a> ggf auch noch interessant. Eine Timeline der verschiedenen Meilensteine.<ul><li>2008: <a href="https://loma.ml/search?tag=identica" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#identica</a> , powered by # OStatus Protocol geht online. Die erste öffentlich eingeführte föderierte Softwareplattform. <ul><li>2010: <a href="https://loma.ml/search?tag=Friendica" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Friendica</a> (<a href="https://loma.ml/search?tag=Mistpark" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Mistpark</a> während der Entwicklung und <a href="https://loma.ml/search?tag=Friendika" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Friendika</a> zum Launch) wird veröffentlicht. Es bindet bereits verschiedene Netze des Fediverse ein, sowie kommerzielle Plattformen wie Facebook, Twitter & später GPlus.</li></ul></li><li>2010: Start von Diaspora (Diaspora-Protokoll). Zwischen 2010 und 2012 wurde der Begriff <a href="https://loma.ml/search?tag=Fediverse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Fediverse</a> erstmals geprägt, um die markenbasierte Terminologie <a href="https://loma.ml/search?tag=identiverse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#identiverse</a> (basierend auf identica) zu ersetzen.</li><li>2014: Das W3C gründet die <a href="https://loma.ml/search?tag=ActivityPub-Protokollarbeitsgruppe" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ActivityPub-Protokollarbeitsgruppe</a>.</li><li>2016: Mastodon wurde eingeführt und implementiert <a href="https://loma.ml/search?tag=OStatus" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#OStatus</a> als Protokoll.</li><li>Juli 2017: <a href="https://loma.ml/search?tag=Hubzilla" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Hubzilla</a> kündigt die Unterstützung des neuen ActivityPub-Protokoll Protokolls, neben ZOT an.</li><li>September 2017: Mastodon kündigt die Unterstützung des neuen ActivityPub-Protokoll Protokolls und ersetzt das bis dahin verwendete OStatus. Für eine Übergangszeit werden beide Protokolle bedient.</li><li>Januar 2018: ActivityPub hat offiziell die „W3C-Empfehlung“ erreicht (auch bekannt als gestarteter, stabiler, endgültiger, empfohlener Standard)</li></ul>Quelle: https://c.im/users/youronlyone"

Jupiter RowlandAllow me to digress from the usual topic on this channel once more. I'm pretty sure that no human being on this planet has created nearly as many federated social platforms as @<a class="" href="https://unfediverse.com/channel/mike" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">mike</a>. But all these (actually not always so) different platforms can be a bit confusing. Even I may be wrong here and there, but I'll try to make some sense of them by putting them into a kind of chronology. So first, there was #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a>. Only that it started out under the name of #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mistpark" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mistpark</a>. I'll get to the name later. Remember #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Diaspora" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Diaspora</a>? Remember summer 2010 when the crowdfunding run was launched so that those four guys could spend all their time creating a free, #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=OpenSource" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">OpenSource</a>, decentralised, federated social network (a.k.a. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Facebook" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a> killer) which they wanted to name Diaspora*? Well, they unknowingly wanted to re-invent the wheel. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=StatusNet" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">StatusNet</a> was already there, #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=GNUsocial" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">GNUsocial</a> was already there, and especially, Mistpark was already there with a 1.x release and more powerful than both, actually, more powerful than Diaspora would ever become. I think Mistpark even already had Diaspora*'s aspects, only that they were called groups. As for its concept, Mistpark went beyond that of Diaspora*. Mistpark didn't only want a bunch of instances ("nodes" in this case) of its own kind to connect with one another, it also wanted to federate with everything else that moved, be it e-mail, be it StatusNet, be it Twitter, be it whatever. The first name change was from Mistpark to #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendika" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendika</a>. The reason was that the original name sounded repelling to German speakers. "Mist" means "fog" in English, but "dung" or "manure" in German, not to mention that it's a German curse word. When Diaspora* was finally there, Friendika didn't see it as competition, it saw it as another federation target. To this day, Friendica is fully federated with Diaspora*, and that has exclusively been the work of the Friendika developers who studied Diaspora*'s source code and reverse-engineer it because it didn't have an API. Probably the biggest coup was the bidirectional federation with Facebook. This was what everyone was waiting for. This, however, was also where the trouble started. Facebook didn't want to be federated with a non-commercial social network and started taking defensive measures. Also, Friendica users (the second name change was through meanwhile) who used the Facebook connector had their entire and often very busy Facebook timelines mirrored onto Friendica nodes, one of the reasons why even nodes on powerful root servers often had to close new registrations even though they only had a little over a hundred users. So there were several reasons why Facebook federation was axed again. Internally, Friendica uses its own protocol named #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=DFRN" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">DFRN</a>. But I guess Mike had meanwhile seen it as a dead end, also because he had a new idea: #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=NomadicIdentity" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">NomadicIdentity</a>, not only the ability to easily take your account from one instance to another, but the possibility to have it on multiple instances at the same time, keeping the copies in sync. That's why he laid the foundation for a new protocol that could do that: #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Zot" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Zot</a>. And with it came the next social platform. It was first just simply named Red from Spanish "red" = "net". Red was based on Zot from the beginning, and as an experimental platform, it only understood Zot. On Friendica which was now running at full steam on dozens upon dozens of nodes, and which Mike had passed on to the community, the development was followed with interest. And just like later platforms, I think Red actually got a few small public instances because someone really wanted to try it out. Red eventually changed its name to #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=RedMatrix" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">RedMatrix</a>. Also, Red didn't just want to be a social network like Friendica. The idea was rather to have a "social content management system" that could do just about everything you could do with a website and/or a cloud server. Third-party federation was slightly reduced, connections to commercial platforms didn't come back. But as Red evolved, the Diaspora* connector was included which was also used to federate Red with Friendica. From the Red Matrix emerged #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a>, the Swiss Army knife of the #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a>. Still today, its possibilities have rarely ever been fleshed out: not only microblogging, but macroblogging, article publication, websites, wikis (no, I'm not kidding), #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=WebDAV" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">WebDAV</a>, #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CalDAV" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CalDAV</a> and #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CardDAV" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CardDAV</a> server and so forth. Next to the nomadic identity that came with Zot, Hubzilla introduced another killer feature: one account, many separate channels. Each one of these channels is basically like one Friendica account. You can have multiple fully separate identities on one account, and nobody (except the instance admin) can tell that they're all you. So this goes way beyond Friendica's multiple profiles. By the way, Hubzilla still has multiple profiles per channel. Some say that the Red Matrix was renamed Hubzilla. This isn't true. Hubzilla is a fork of the Red Matrix, one could say it was a stable snapshot of the Red Matrix. For the development of the Red Matrix continued. Planned advancements on Zot couldn't be tested on stable Hubzilla, they needed their own testbed. Eventually, the last Red Matrix instance was Mike's personal one with himself as the only user. It still federated with Friendica and, of course, Hubzilla. In the meantime, #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ActivityPub" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ActivityPub</a> came along. It wasn't just another obscure networking protocol, though, because #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mastodon</a> made it huge. So at least Friendica and Hubzilla had to adopt it. Friendica firmly integrated it. Hubzilla made it into an app just like all other protocols that aren't Zot because they stand in the way of fully nomadic identity. By the way, both profited from its introduction because the federation between each other no longer had to use the Diaspora* protocol. For the next advancements of Zot, two new platforms were forked from the Red Matrix or Hubzilla. At this point, Mike wasn't involved with Hubzilla anymore either. First, there was #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Osada" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Osada</a>, an early testbed for what would become #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Zot6" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Zot6</a>, but still with ActivityPub. For pure Zot6, #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Zap" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Zap</a> followed suit. Most connectors that are neither Zot nor ActivityPub, including the one to Diaspora*, weren't taken over, as were many of Hubzilla's extra abilities (websites, articles, wiki, CardDAV, two parallel calendar systems etc.) to keep it slim. It did get to keep the various types of channels as well as one CalDAV server and the WebDAV connection, though. Eventually, when Mike handed them over to the community, they used the exact same code base. The only differences between Osada and Zap was whether or not the admin had ActivityPub on (Osada) or off (Zap) and the name. As having two different names for the same thing, depending on the instance configuration, Osada was discontinued in favour of Zap which now included ActivityPub itself. In the meantime, Zot6 became stable and was backported into Hubzilla which thereby became fully compatible to Zap, only that what Hubzilla can that Zap can't cannot be mirrored to Zap. Then Osada re-emerged as Zap's unstable branch. Along with it came a new Red Matrix which, as far as I could see, was now an even more purist, even more unstable branch that only served for testing Zot8 and lacked all other protocols. To top this off, in 2020, Zap itself got a stable branch even more intended for productive use. For this purpose, the name Mistpark was dusted off. The new stable branch was named #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mistpark2020" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mistpark2020</a> or simply #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Misty" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Misty</a>. Misty was the first of its kind to not even get an announcement anymore, though. Its home page on Zotlabs disappeared along with Zotlabs before it could be filled with any useful information. Two things were interesting: Red Matrix, Osada, Zap and Misty were based on various states of the same code base. It was possible to switch from one to another by rebasing the local code repository on your server. This became obvious through instances that carry the name of one project but run another one. It must have been in 2021 when #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Roadhouse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Roadhouse</a> showed up, again, unannounced. It seemed to be nothing more than a concept for the next generation of distributed social platforms. Roadhouse was the first of its kind to use the #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Nomad" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Nomad</a> protocol which, I guess, is forked from #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Zot" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Zot</a> because it serves the same purpose. It got its own home page on Zotlabs which remained as uninformational as Misty's. And then the most recent name popped up: #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Streams</a>. At first, it was even less clear what Streams was supposed to be and what set it apart from Roadhouse, not to mention Red Matrix, Osada, Zap and Misty, also because Zotlabs didn't say what Streams was either. But I guess Streams' purpose has emerged in the meantime through word-of-mouth: It's the experimental successor of all five and the solution to this maze of names. Streams isn't even a product with a name, it's a concept that uses Nomad for nomadic identity and that is in constant flux, hence Streams. The idea was to do away with fixed names to get rid of the previous chaos. Everyone can name whatever they do with Streams however they want. There is currently only one more or less public Streams instance, but it still carries "Stream" in its name. At least two more instances which may be private are named something with "Streams", too. So whether Mike wants or not, Streams has become a name of its own, and people use it. How many Streams instances exactly exist right now is hard to tell, even from Communities pages on Streams instances or Sites pages on older platforms, because they don't necessarily identify themselves as Streams instances. So if you go through one of these pages, and there are names in the Projects column which you don't know as Fediverse platforms, check out what's behind them. It's often only one instance. Open the instance, click its burger menu, and if there's a Communities link, it's a Streams instance. I've discovered a lot of Streams instances not named anything with Streams this way. Private instances included, I guess Streams must have more than a dozen instances already. There has even already been a request to launch a Streams support forum much like the one for Hubzilla; after all, Streams still supports forums. It's safe to say that Streams is doing quite well for something so obscure. Feature-wise, Streams is the same as Zap and Misty. But what became of the six platforms between Hubzilla and Streams? <ul><li>Red Matrix kept having only this one single-user instance because nobody else dared to touch it and set up another instance. It's a Zap instance now as far as I can see. </li><li>Osada never really took off, Zap probably did only after Osada was merged into it, and some Osada instances became Zap instances. This explains why Zap has got comparably many instances. Most of them, however, are tiny, probably private and utterly undermaintained as they run rather old Zap versions. Zap only lives by numbers, and it's the only one of the five listed on <a href="https://zap.fediverse.observer/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse Observer</a>. Also, while the <a href="https://fedidb.org/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediDB</a> lists all five, it only knows <a href="https://zap.dog/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">that one Dominican public Zap instance</a> and none of the others (looking through <a href="https://zap.dog/sites" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">its connected sites</a> reveals many unlisted instances of Zot-based networks, by the way). Still, it seems to be on the deathbed, being superseded by Streams, experimental as the latter may be. There still seem to be a very few running Osada instances, but Osada can be considered dead as the focus is on Streams now. </li><li>Misty didn't take off either, even though it was considered more stable and more production-grade than Zap. This time, the reason may simply be because Misty got zero advertising, so nobody heard about it, probably not even some of the Zap crowd. Misty never had many instances, they weren't properly advertised either (the same applies to most Zap instances, by the way), and Misty's death knell may have been the unannounced shutdown of its largest instance. Basically, there was little room for Misty next to less obscure Zap. </li><li>Roadhouse didn't even manage to get much limelight before Streams appeared shortly afterwards. In both cases, the only way to find out what they were and what they did was by either studying the source code or installing a private instance. Streams, however, had the advantage of being even newer. <a href="https://the-federation.info/roadhouse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The-Federation.info</a> knows exactly <a href="https://digitalesparadies.de/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">one German Roadhouse instance</a> which was originally set up as Misty and has meanwhile been upgraded beyond Roadhouse to Streams, and there only seems to be one remaining unlisted Roadhouse instance. </li><li>I've seen another result of an upgrade from Zap to Misty. So it's safe to assume that you can upgrade all five to Streams. If this is the case, then now that Streams is here, it probably isn't worth spreading the developer community across six almost identical platforms. Basically, Streams has become the latest version of Red Matrix, Osada, Zap, Misty and Roadhouse. </li><li>At least Red Matrix, Osada, Zap and Misty are still being maintained in a sense, though. All four got the same small Git commit from Mike a good month ago. Roadhouse got one four months ago.</li></ul> As of now, Friendica is still going strong, so is Hubzilla, and Streams seems to be cleaning up the mess that came after Hubzilla. If you really want to try out something with Zot, my current recommendation is Hubzilla, even if it may seem bloated and cumbersome to you, even if you'll never harness its full power. Many of its extra functions are additional apps and switched off by default; this includes ActivityPub, by the way, this is important to know. It's hard to find a public Streams instance with open registrations currently, much less multiple ones that'd be required for a nomadic identity. Neither Fediverse.party nor the FediDB nor The-Federation.info nor Fediverse.info even knows Streams, and existing Streams instances usually don't identify to other Fediverse servers as Streams instances. It's still a rather underground and grass-roots project with no publicity at all. As Streams is rather experimental, however, you may want a nomadic home on at least two instances to have an instant backup, should one of them shut down. Zap has got exactly one instance open to the public, and seeing as Zap may be shrinking rather than growing, I don't expect this to change. Again, due to Zap's still small size and unclear future, I wouldn't recommend using it without nomadic identity as a safety net. As for Osada or Misty, good luck finding an instance to join, much less one that's here to stay and ideally be upgraded to Streams one day. Hubzilla may not be as bleeding-edge as Streams, and it may be overkill for your purposes if Zap or Streams would be sufficient, but it's stable, it's big enough, it's established, and it's different enough from Streams to not be endangered by it. I mean, Hubzilla hasn't managed to kill off Friendica either, right?

Nordnick :verified:<a href="https://norden.social/tags/Kennste" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Kennste</a>?<a href="https://norden.social/tags/Friendica" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Friendica</a> (ehemals <a href="https://norden.social/tags/Friendika" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Friendika</a>, ursprünglich <a href="https://norden.social/tags/mistpark" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#mistpark</a>, erschienen 2010) ist eine freie <a href="https://norden.social/tags/Software" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Software</a> für ein verteiltes soziales Netzwerk. Der Fokus liegt auf wirkungsvollen Datenschutzeinstellungen und leichter Installation auf eigenen Servern, welche insgesamt unabhängig operierend das dezentrale Netzwerk des <a href="https://norden.social/tags/Fediverse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Fediverse</a> formen. Wie auch <a href="https://norden.social/tags/Mastodon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Mastodon</a> versteht Friendica das Protokoll <a href="https://norden.social/tags/ActivityPub" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ActivityPub</a>.<a href="https://friendi.ca/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://friendi.ca/</a>

MontagVon Zeit zu Zeit schaue ich mir im Admin Bereich mal die Föderations Statistik an und bin jedesmal erstaunt, wie viele unterschiedliche Projekte es mittlerweile gibt, die über <a href="https://friendica.xyz/search?tag=ActivityPub" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ActivityPub</a> miteinander kommunizieren. Also das Fediverse besteht aus viel mehr als nur Mastodon, manchmal ist es aber leider etwas schwierig, herauszufinden, was die Projekte genau sind 😉.<ul><li><a href="https://friendica.xyz/search?tag=Friendica" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Friendica</a> (386/16749)</li><li><a href="https://friendica.xyz/search?tag=BirdsiteLIVE" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#BirdsiteLIVE</a> (27/14432) - Was ist das z.B.</li><li><a href="https://friendica.xyz/search?tag=BookWyrm" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#BookWyrm</a> (23/2767) - und was ist das?</li><li><a href="https://friendica.xyz/search?tag=Diaspora" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Diaspora</a> (172/854137) - kein ActivityPub, deshalb nur über Friendica so halb gut mit dem <a href="https://friendica.xyz/search?tag=Fediverse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Fediverse</a> verbunden</li><li><a href="https://friendica.xyz/search?tag=Funkwhale" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Funkwhale</a> (97/5730) - Eine Soundcloud alternative glaube ich</li><li><a href="https://friendica.xyz/search?tag=GNU%20Social" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#GNU Social</a> / <a href="https://friendica.xyz/search?tag=Statusnet" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Statusnet</a> (47/5385) - Sprechen die wirklich ActivityPub oder kann nur Friendica mit denen kommunizieren?</li><li><a href="https://friendica.xyz/search?tag=Hometown" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Hometown</a> (29/2849) - Noch nie gehört</li><li><a href="https://friendica.xyz/search?tag=Hubzilla" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Hubzilla</a> / <a href="https://friendica.xyz/search?tag=Red" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Red</a> Matrix (214/6322) - ist bekannt</li><li><a href="https://friendica.xyz/search?tag=Lemmy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Lemmy</a> (30/22555) - Reddit Alternative</li><li><a href="https://friendica.xyz/search?tag=Mastodon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Mastodon</a> (3279/2126596) - ist bekannt</li><li><a href="https://friendica.xyz/search?tag=Misskey" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Misskey</a> (306/16628) - schon mal von gehört, aber eigentlich keine Ahnung was das genau ist.</li><li><a href="https://friendica.xyz/search?tag=Mobilizon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Mobilizon</a> (107/9307) - Termine und Veranstaltungen</li><li><a href="https://friendica.xyz/search?tag=Nextcloud" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Nextcloud</a> (76/77) - Eigentlich ein Cloud-Service, der auch mehr schlecht als recht ActivityPub kann</li><li>Nomad projects (<a href="https://friendica.xyz/search?tag=Mistpark" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Mistpark</a>, <a href="https://friendica.xyz/search?tag=Osada" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Osada</a>, <a href="https://friendica.xyz/search?tag=Roadhouse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Roadhouse</a>, <a href="https://friendica.xyz/search?tag=Zap)" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Zap)</a> (13/375) - Hört sich irgendwie interessant an, aber eigentlich keine Ahnung, was es ist</li><li><a href="https://friendica.xyz/search?tag=Peertube" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Peertube</a> (1147/222464) - Youtube Alternative</li><li><a href="https://friendica.xyz/search?tag=Pixelfed" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Pixelfed</a> (217/68002) - Instagramm Alternative</li><li><a href="https://friendica.xyz/search?tag=Pleroma" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Pleroma</a> (1086/67334) - Sowas ähnliches wie Mastodon glaube ich</li><li><a href="https://friendica.xyz/search?tag=Plume" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Plume</a> (51/19098) - keine Ahnung was das ist</li><li>ActivityPub Relay (47/267) - Relays zum verteilen von Beiträgen</li><li><a href="https://friendica.xyz/search?tag=SocialHome" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SocialHome</a> (6/1526) - gibt es auch schon lange, weiß aber auch nicht genau, was das ist</li><li><a href="https://friendica.xyz/search?tag=WordPress" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#WordPress</a> (334/10516) - Mit einem Plugin ActivityPub fähig</li><li><a href="https://friendica.xyz/search?tag=Write.as" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Write.as</a> (17/17) - ?</li><li><a href="https://friendica.xyz/search?tag=WriteFreely" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#WriteFreely</a> (387/46365) - ?</li><li>Andere (144/30637) - ??</li></ul>Zeitlich begrenzte Test-Accounts für die verschiedenen Projekte wäre toll, aber die muss dann ja natürlich auch irgendjemand betreuen.

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